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PostPosted: Sun Feb 29, 2004 11:54 pm
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Thing is that I realy wanted to talk about him...
What is he exactly? As I have seen Killy and his GBM (gravitonal beam emitter) are evolving trought time... Ok, like this it sounds stupid but...
In the start Killy was showed as human with cyber implants. He was reading a book, he was eating and sometimes got realy busted. Same with GBM - yes it is powerfull from the beggining but later on it changes.
Killy doesn`t need to eat, he can jump from few hundred meters, punch trough the walls and so... later on (before Dhomochevsky part) there is time passed from startig the mission - 267years have passed! And even later when LEVEL 9 SG Cibo made that explosion 40.84% of his body was destroyed and then he is showed as complete cyborg... :?:
Same stuff with GBM - later on even Level 1 beam is much much stronger and is making bigger damage then in the beggining...
So - can anyone tell me someting how you are looking at that stuff...



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PostPosted: Mon Mar 01, 2004 12:24 am
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at the beginning Nihei don't have very defined history and for that reason maked that Killy could eat or the firings of their pistol were different

In the artbook say Nihei that Killy its the most powerful cyborg in his world, he is a secret agent from a different and superior system than Safeguards.


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PostPosted: Mon Mar 01, 2004 12:33 am
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Well that is only possible ansewr... Damn, I only don`t have artbook - I want in english becouse I don`t know German or Franch that well so I can understand such text...
It`s all there about the world of Blame!, right? :(



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PostPosted: Mon Mar 01, 2004 12:45 am
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i think that in somewhere is a translation of the artbook to english, but its incomplete...
Although its a great work, well i find now:
http://www.angelfire.com/comics/jenshin/blame.html


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PostPosted: Mon Mar 01, 2004 9:31 am
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Narev wrote:
i think that in somewhere is a translation of the artbook to english, but its incomplete...
Although its a great work, well i find now:
http://www.angelfire.com/comics/jenshin/blame.html


Thanks for this... Now I just know I must get that artbook... ^^



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PostPosted: Mon Mar 01, 2004 10:47 am
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Don't give me the thanks, only to Jenshin and Skulldog for make this difficult translation of artbook.


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PostPosted: Mon Mar 01, 2004 11:15 am
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July wrote:
later on (before Dhomochevsky part) there is time passed from startig the mission - 267years have passed! ...


Actually that's the time since Dhomo started his mission to the time Killy and Cibo got there. Cibo, still being human at the time, couldnt have suvived 267 years of travel.


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PostPosted: Mon Mar 01, 2004 6:24 pm
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Lucky-7 wrote:
July wrote:
later on (before Dhomochevsky part) there is time passed from startig the mission - 267years have passed! ...


Actually that's the time since Dhomo started his mission to the time Killy and Cibo got there. Cibo, still being human at the time, couldnt have suvived 267 years of travel.


Um - as I saw that was Killys mission time... Cibo was encountered much later and except that Cibo swiched bodys 3-4 times... Dhomochevsky said that it was few years since SC attacked, so mission time wasn`t his...



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PostPosted: Sun Mar 07, 2004 7:33 am
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Um, actually July (not that my opinion really counts), I have to agree with Lucky-7. Seems to me that ch. 7 starts in Dhomo's past and the second part of log 38 concerns the present, with Cibo and Killy. Just curious, what makes you think the 2244096 hours refers to Killy's mission count?


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PostPosted: Sun Mar 07, 2004 11:12 pm
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Meehow wrote:
Um, actually July (not that my opinion really counts), I have to agree with Lucky-7. Seems to me that ch. 7 starts in Dhomo's past and the second part of log 38 concerns the present, with Cibo and Killy. Just curious, what makes you think the 2244096 hours refers to Killy's mission count?


Well really I`m not saying that is, but I understood that as Killys mission time, log just say that time in hours but that is around 250 years time. But later when Dhomo is explaining the situation he says that SC invaded few years ago (so I thought that few can`t mean "over" 250 years ago) Except that that is too long for such a battle so it looked to me that is more like time that has passed from Killys mission start to that place.
But that is only my oppinion thought... ^^



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PostPosted: Mon Mar 08, 2004 8:07 am
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OK, that's cool. I'm just trying to see if I got the plot wrong. On what page does Dhomo say they invaded "a few years ago"?


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PostPosted: Wed Mar 10, 2004 3:13 pm
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Narev wrote:
i think that in somewhere is a translation of the artbook to english, but its incomplete...
Although its a great work, well i find now:
http://www.angelfire.com/comics/jenshin/blame.html


Thanks fo the link, but I have to say about the artbook that it does not answer many questions, at least this translation does not. While there surely are some translation glitches, I don't think that it all makes perfect sense even to someone who is speaking Japanese perfectly.

To get back on topic, Killy seems to be some kinda cyborg. But what about his mission? Can someone tell me why he doesn't know how to use his interface in the beginning, why this memory loss - yet he still remembers his mission? About his mission: Why? Why is he looking for netgenes?



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PostPosted: Thu Mar 11, 2004 6:36 am
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Nihei says in his artbook that Killy doesn't remember a lot of things because he's so old that parts of his memory are just gone. He must have started his mission thousands of years ago. That's a long time to have to remember something.

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PostPosted: Thu Mar 11, 2004 12:18 pm
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In this case it is a very weak point of BLAME! - of couse it's obvious why he (Tsutomu) did it - so Killy doesn't know more than the reader, therefore the reader can look through his eyes, his perspective, identify. Otherwise Killy would be aware of everything and then Tsutomu would have had to find another way of explaining it. This way Killy was asking the reader's questions and getting the answers for us.
Nevertheless, pretty weak and illogical.



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PostPosted: Fri Mar 12, 2004 2:16 am
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What follows is my opinion:

Killy didn't realise he was a cyborg to begin with. He implied that when he was travelling with the cargo ship, saying "My growth period has long since finished." or something to that effect. This meant that he didn't know he wasn't human, or just special since he stopped growing older. His cyborg brain (might not be completely organic, as it's not a prerequisite for cyborgs to have completely human brains) would have kept important information, or mission objectives:

Search for a person with NTG.
How the GBE works.
SC are evil creatures and cannot be trusted.
Take drugs whenever you are injured - This is referring to his administering drugs whenever he was injured in the early logs. This might've been nanobots to inject into his system to repair himself without his control, as his cyborg abilities were not awakened. However, he probably didn't know this, and just thought it was natural for him to take them.

He didn't know of the GA as yet, and when he first met them he assumed it was the enemy. The time when his SG abilities emerged was after Sanakan injected him with the needles. She was invoking the SG to emerge within him. Still feeling weak, he eventually woke up from his healing, and had his optical sensors enabled. He could then scan for the net terminal gene automatically, and Sanakan knew this, as she stated that his "functions were restored". Note that from that time he never injected drugs again. He was more able as he knew what he was, and had begun to use his body to its full effect, healing himself when necessary, taking hits knowing he could heal, and his new photographic memory.

He even rejected the registry with the SG, as maybe he realised that they weren't what he wanted to become, and that 3000 years of living as a human finally made him choose to live as a human, and not as a SG killing other humans.


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